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jaif · May 03, 2009, 04:00 PM // 16:00

I'm curious - are there any good team builds that do not involve any minions?

I'm getting a bit tired of having to wait for olias to catch up, all my healers spending time healing olias while he does blood of the master, etc.

So, help me ditch olias, ok? :-)

-Jeff

zelgadissan · May 03, 2009, 04:42 PM // 16:42

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10254869

Don't have to be a paragon yourself, but it certainly helps. Or you could just run any heroes you want and actually enjoy yourself - I run with a MM maybe 50% and I never run with my three necros.

Seraphim Angel · May 03, 2009, 04:55 PM // 16:55

Use a bit of micromanaging and disable the skills they spam while running to the next battle. That way they run with you instead of way behind. When you enter battle activate that skill you disabled. I do that with my MM and it works fine.

riceangel · May 03, 2009, 05:06 PM // 17:06

RoJ support monks are very effective

MercenaryKnight · May 04, 2009, 12:00 AM // 00:00

Run something with save yourselves and you won't need a minion wall ever again.

Betrayer of Wind · May 04, 2009, 07:09 AM // 07:09

Dont need SY,especially if you're a caster.
Bring disablers+dmg like rangers or mesmers,aegis-chains to mitigate dmg,maybe even wards if you're running eles.
An ether renewal protter if you're against heavy dmg areas and are running too many squishies.
Alot of options to think about,just depends on whats your profession.

FoxBat · May 05, 2009, 05:34 PM // 17:34

Pure discord with 3 shambling horrors, and no death nova/botm crap has no trouble keeping up. Not as many minions as a bomber, but it's enough, and all of them are pretty hardy + spawn another on death.

Zodiak · May 05, 2009, 06:19 PM // 18:19

Few tips if one of your heroes is running minions:

Set him on Attack and not defend, he will be more aggressive and less hesitant to start wanding stuff
I've played around with minion builds that use N/P. He will use his minions as he normally would but then use Fall Back once you start moving between groups.
One option is not to have a minion heal. Typically in a Discord team Olias will cause his minions to die and blow up with Death Nova but if he has a minion heal, he will always be behind healing them.Minions

are incredibly useful in areas that can support them. They will absorb damage, block incomming forces and deal significant damage, both through hitting targets and then blowing up causing damage and poison.

Bill Clinton · May 21, 2009, 12:36 PM // 12:36

Wow guys, Jaif wasnt asking for help with using his minion master hero. He was asking for something that doesnt use a minion master..

bena · May 26, 2009, 12:57 AM // 00:57

ive run pure discord with 3 shambling horrors as well... its the perfect... 'minion lite' where it seems that im not waiting on minions, not like i needed to wait with discordway anyways

if you want to run without minions i'd probably recomend the ebon vanguard sin to cast in FIRST. the monster ai will hit the sin first and typically unloads ALL thier heavy spells on the sin first. was running a kurzick vanq earlier and i threw the sin in first, it got maelstromed, and the rest of my team engaged for a few seconds free from attack until something else cast maelstrom. maybe throw up the asuran ice imp for the aoe snare....

but yea, save yourselves is the easiest alternative.

sportacus · May 26, 2009, 01:02 AM // 01:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by MercenaryKnight

Run something with save yourselves and you won't need a minion wall ever again.

Or Bring SY! to put on your minions for maximum overkill

Jaigoda · May 26, 2009, 04:55 AM // 04:55

SY! only affects party members...

englitdaudelin · May 28, 2009, 10:43 PM // 22:43

This is effective in most places, not a steamroller build, and certainly can get tweaked.

You (whatever you are).
1 Earth Ele (Sandstorm is okies as elite) with eruption, churning earth, and wards if needed in HM.
1 Fire Ele with elite of your choice. incendiary bonds/rodgorts/SF, or Savannah heat.
1 Mesmer with either Mantra of Recovery orVisions of Regret, power drain, drain enchantment, Cry of Frustration, other stuff.

grab healer henchies, whatever else you like, and go.

Or:

1 Paragon with hexbreaker, go for the eyes, they're on fire, (that skill that causes burning when you use a skill), elite of your choice, attack buff of your choice
1 Prot Monk with prot spirit, reversal of fortune, shielding hands or shield of absorption, and either Restore Condition or Peace and Harmony. spec points into smite if you like reversal of damage.
1 Fire ele or Mesmer, as above.

I know these aren't fast and awesome like discordway and so on, but I've been having a lot of fun in HM, UW, and FoW with variants of these.

Heck, just slap on the heroes and go experiment: what would you want to counter flame djinns? what can you use to mitigate damage? Look for hybrid bars to blend things.

Neo Atomisk · May 29, 2009, 02:08 AM // 02:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by sportacus

Or Bring SY! to put on your minions for maximum overkill

i run godmode dslash with sabway and ive done 23 vanqs since last friday, with 3 wipes total, all from that retarded res spot in barbarous shore. ive also had minimal deaths in those vanqs.